Would you rather have a modern Master of Orion 2 or a game that takes a more unique direction?

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  1. Konstantine

    Konstantine Moderator Captain

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    Semantics gents,
    It "feels" like MoO2 without being a copy. There are both similarities to MoO2 as well as new and novel approaches. Add to that a bit of some other titles and you have ISG.

    It is potentially the best game since MoO2 to retain the style and flavor. Clone, spiritual successor... what does it matter in the end?

    What does matter is that it seems ready to scratch that itch we all have for a "modern" MoO2 "type" of game.
     
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  2. IvanK

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    No and no. I get different kick from ISG then I do from MoO 2 therefore I don't consider one a clone of the other, an inspiration yes but not a clone. For me they are like handball and basketball, they are both played on same parquet, look very similar when you think about it but nobody would call them clone of each other.
     
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  3. Konstantine

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    Where I see the word clone as not appropriate is that it signifies an "exact" copy or duplicate. ISG is clearly not an exact copy or duplicate of MoO2 and I like the analogy you use IvanK.
     
  4. vmxa

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    When I first got SoTs I was not very happy with. Much later I came back when all the expansions had come out. I found it then to be a lot of fun. I finally was changed into a fan of the combat. I still was not real happy with the way they present the tech tree, but I learned to live with it. I still play it from time to time.

    The sequel was a coaster only, not fit to install. It seems to have put them out of business, coupled wit the way they treated visitors to their site.

    It is more of a challenge than most all of the 4x space games imo. You should give it a go for sure Konstantine.
     
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  5. CHUKI

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    Pretty much my experience with the sots1, and yes SOTS 2 was a train wreck, which killed me as I was so looking forward to it, it had so much potential... the ship models and combat were amazing... to look at. But nothing worked and it never got out of the gate before the drama started... not going to go on as it just makes me mad to remember that fiasco... shame it wasn't the last game to fail miserably after initial strong expectation (And a previous good track record)
     
  6. vmxa

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    I sure understood that it is a facsimile for Moo2.
     
  7. rxnnxs

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    A more unique one.

    Because why shouldn't I play moo2 when it is still running like a charm? No game would be as good as the original if the new game would be exactly as the old.
    Just because it is too old to give me a good feeling or it feels outdated? Maybe a little. But then I know that I am old.. I have to accept that fact :)

    So.. those new additions that ISG offers are really great. I miss the ground fight. And thats all I am waiting for :) But I am sure there are many new things that I did not even dream of but will love when I find out!
     
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  8. CHUKI

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    Just to add a little fuel to the fire;
    There are better games to clone imo. Yes MoO is a classic and one of the best... but it's over 15 years old now... how about a Distant Worlds clone? If one is to clone a game, why not a more modern classic?
    I loved MoO too, but I was like 17 when it was released... it wouldn't pass muster to 35 yr old me...
     
  9. Konstantine

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    Perhaps, but not everyone has the same tastes. Either way ISG is inspired by MoO2 but... I'm sure you will find many mechanics that were inspired by other games of the genre in ISG as well, ISG did not ignore those games. Personally I like the result.
     
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  10. vmxa

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    There is no reason to clone DWU, it works just fine on today's rigs. Its graphics are acceptable, you gain little. Moo is a DOS game and has low res graphics, so many would like a modern version.

    You need at least a few things to have a good candidate. A large fan base, poor graphics and designed for very old pc's is a decent start.
     
  11. IvanK

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    Why not both :)? There are dozens of new first person shooters every year, each inspired by different predecessor or trying out new thing. Why not the same for grand strategies.

    There is a lot to be gained through iteration. See Anno games evolved. In the first one you'd unlock a new building every now and then but the game never told you what you need to do to for next unlock. In later games that info was available in game, UI is much more streamlined, some boring mechanics are dropped some interesting ones are added. You may think that DWU is good enough but a bit of new jazz may pleasantly surprise you.
     
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  12. rxnnxs

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    SOTS (Sword of the Stars) was really nice, but has in my eyes some flaws.
    It was the comic style and the "aye sir" things that was too redundant and childish.
    Overall I loved the way it was done, but missed the planet handling. They evolved almost by themselfes, and that could have been overworked for the second part.
    Tankers were done great as well as the star lanes and how the commands were given.

    And in my eyes, the second one was a disaster. They changed everything completely. They had so many half done things in it, it was not funny.
     
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  13. CrazyElf

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    Yes ... SOTS did get better with expansions. Luckily, ISG seems to be in good shape from launch in terms of stability, and it is slowly getting better in terms of gameplay.
     
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